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Solo => Technical Talk => Topic started by: Reijo on August 24, 2016, 12:09:32 PM
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This can be handy:
http://cdn.growassets.net/user_files/scca/downloads/000/016/772/2016-7-25_Street_Category_By_Manufacturer.pdf?1469482006
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Hi Reijo,
Is the SCCA classing the standard across western Canada and the US, or are clubs using other car classification standards?
Thanks,
Robin.
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Car classing is the same for ASN/FiA Canada (across Canada) and all SCCA clubs (across USA) across US including Alaska, Hawaii and even Chile ...
There is also NASA but they are not on the same scale.
Also regionally/locally clubs may adopt some local classes ... like SCCA Cal Club has an Open Pax class (not an official SCCA) and California Mod ... (e.g. anything with a licence plate).
R
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I just entered for the Sept 25th Event, However unsure what class my car would be considered. I entered in Super Street as my car at track events seems to be competitive with those cars.
It is far from stock (easier to list what is stock that what isn't)
Is there a catch all for modified cars? IS there a base classification and adjustments based on modifications etc?
Any help appreciated.
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Street classes have a very limited number of allowed mods, so you are unlikely to fit into SS.
Here is a worksheet (out of date) made up by Grant C. from ASA club that will give you a quick idea of where your car will class:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14RwIz5A-zWVKK-e0MRGUlhbiEzKJq3JEfq9WOvnzFHo/pub?output=html
For the real classing, you need to go through the rules and work out where your car belongs:
http://www.scca.com/pages/solo-cars-and-rules
Start in section 13 (street classes) and keep reading until you find the class that allows all of your modifications. For example, if you have removed your rear seat, you will have to keep reading until you hit the first class that allows this (street modified).
Once you have found the class that allows all of your mods, (sounds like street modified or higher), then go into appendix A and find your car under the appropriate class.
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Thanks Murray...
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Looks like SSM for me :)
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Sounded like SSM ... note that you need your entire interior such as carpets etc. for SM and SSM classes (they are "street" classes after all) but otherwise "almost" anything else goes ...
R
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I'm pretty interested to see that 993 go, sir. Looks like a good time.
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Sounded like SSM ... note that you need your entire interior such as carpets etc. for SM and SSM classes (they are "street" classes after all) but otherwise "almost" anything else goes ...
R
Does partial carpet count? Most (not all carpet has been removed)...
If not then i am probably in Prepared..... However will be running 300 rated tires so will be interesting :)
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I'm pretty interested to see that 993 go, sir. Looks like a good time.
It's had plenty of track time, a solosport virgin though.... Some minor suspension adjustments will be in order to help with turn in etc...
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Sounded like SSM ... note that you need your entire interior such as carpets etc. for SM and SSM classes (they are "street" classes after all) but otherwise "almost" anything else goes ...
R
If you removed some carpet (cut for instance ... but no more than necessary I believe) for installation of a roll bar then that is ok (confirm in the rules for SSM), but generally speaking all the interior has to be intact. In Prepared you can remove the entire interior.
R
Does partial carpet count? Most (not all carpet has been removed)...
If not then i am probably in Prepared..... However will be running 300 rated tires so will be interesting :)
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I see we have a Caymen GT4 at this weekends event, C Street, really !
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I see we have a Caymen GT4 at this weekends event, C Street, really !
The GT4 should be in SS. Maybe drove something in CS in the past?
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This made me look, and a few others popped out, with possible correct classes:
CS Caymen GT4 => SS
SSM Mustang => SM
BSP 97 Miata => CSP
CSP Mustang => ESP
DM 996tt => EM
AM Jetta => need more info
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CSP Mustang => ESP
Dude! Don't be like that. With no competition in ESP for 2 years I can never feel bad about my results!
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I see we have a Caymen GT4 at this weekends event, C Street, really !
At least on the track, stock they are an understeering pig... Takes quite alot of mods to get them to turn in crisply... Will be very interesting to see how it performs on Sunday.
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I see we have a Caymen GT4 at this weekends event, C Street, really !
At least on the track, stock they are an understeering pig... Takes quite alot of mods to get them to turn in crisply... Will be very interesting to see how it performs on Sunday.
Adjustable sway bars on both ends, massive camber adjustment range front and rear, perfect 50/50 weight distribution...sound like a stock/street class nightmare! :)
Jokes aside, I don't know the owner but the cars have proven to be one of the quickest classed for street...
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I see we have a Caymen GT4 at this weekends event, C Street, really !
At least on the track, stock they are an understeering pig... Takes quite alot of mods to get them to turn in crisply... Will be very interesting to see how it performs on Sunday.
Adjustable sway bars on both ends, massive camber adjustment range front and rear, perfect 50/50 weight distribution...sound like a stock/street class nightmare! :)
Jokes aside, I don't know the owner but the cars have proven to be one of the quickest classed for street...
I have no experience with autocrossing these cars, however do know what they need for the track.
Don't get me wrong, out of the box they are very good, and i have no doubt they class well, however there is a cost. They are only getting one weekend out of a set of front tires (1 tank of gas) And at approx $650 a tire it can get very expensive.
They do have some camber adjustment front and rear, however the factory max is variable with most less that 1.5 degrees, some have been higher. However as you add more camber you need to adjust castor and the stock setup does not allow enough castor adjustment to compensate for the camber. The camber adjustment adds a large amount of castor, making the front of the car quite dull, the only way to adjust is aftermarket monoballed links... Also as you add camber beyond 1.5 degrees, you end-up running out of thread on the tie rods, necessitating aftermarket tie rods. The rear has similar issues.
I have been working on a friends car to get it dialed in for the track, so far i think he is at around $6k in parts to get the aggressive alignment he wants for the track -2.5 front, -2.2 rear and still be able to keep the rest of the alignment numbers in spec.
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So with all the conversations on how to run the YYC event this Sunday more smoothly can someone help me classify my car so that I help do my part by not having my car reclassified on the day.. I really don't care what class I am in, but not I am not understanding the rules etc to class the car correctly.
Car specs as follows:
1995 993 Carrera 2 3.6 litre NA - Base Classification - B Street
Modifications:
Engine & Drivetrain:
4.0 liter NA Engine - big cams etc.
ITB Intake
Headers, no cats, center style exhaust (not stock outlets)
LSD
Stoptech big brakes
KW Coil Over suspension
Monoball camber plates
larger adjustable swaybars (monoball links)
Monoball rear controll arm bushings and links
997 Cup electric powersteering
Body/Wheels:
993 RSCS / 993 GT2 Body kit
18x 8.5" and 18x 10.5" wheels (Stock 17x7.5 and 17x9)
Interior:
Partial (most) carpet removed
Stock seats removed
Rear seats removed
airbags and dash knee pad removed, non-airbag steering wheel
Carbon/kevlar race seats installed
5pt Harnesses
Rollbar
Any help to class the car and do my bit to help on Sunday is appreciated :)
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I believe with the engine work and rear seat removal you will likely be in E Mod.
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I believe with the engine work and rear seat removal you will likely be in E Mod.
Thanks Stuart...
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While Stuart is correct that the car is legal for EM the 'first' class it is for sure legal for XP.
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While Stuart is correct that the car is legal for EM the 'first' class it is for sure legal for XP.
Forgot about that crazy class ;)
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Re-install the carpet and back seat and SSM might be a better class. Not sure about cats removed??? Would have to look at the rules I guess.
R
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No chance to reinstall carpets, rear seats etc... They are all glued in at the factory and are destroyed upon removal...
Looks like XP is the most appropriate class, Boy are the classifications confusing and complex...
Thanks everyone, looking forward to meeting you guys on Sunday..