S.A.S.C.
Solo => SASC Events => Topic started by: MurrayPeterson on July 26, 2015, 06:30:48 PM
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Saturday practise:
http://members.shaw.ca/murray.autocross/2015/2015_07_25__scores.txt
Sunday championship event:
http://members.shaw.ca/murray.autocross/2015/2015_07_26__scores.txt
Updated overalls:
http://members.shaw.ca/murray.autocross/2015/_overalls.txt
As usual, let me know about any errors.
It was a great day, and I believe Sunday is a record for attendance at a Fort Macleod club event.
Kudos to Tom M and Tom G for great course designs.
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I had a great time this weekend. Thanks to everybody who attended/helped out and made it a success. Great courses from the Toms.
Huge thanks to Nick for letting me finish the two afternoon runs in his car. I still need to give you some cash for that (maybe PM your email address?).
-Shane
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A BIG thanks to everyone who contributed to making it a great weekend. Super pleased with the changes I made to the Miata. Got keep working n the driver. My goal for the weekend was a top 10 YEA 8)
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Course was super fun today, and I'm glad we got started at a decent time and got plenty of runs in. Someone's MR2 didn't make it home - saw it on the side of the road with no occupant just north of town. I think my LSD is now just a regular differential, which would explain how I was getting wheel spin in 2nd gear and dropped 2-3 seconds of pace in the afternoon. Very unhappy sounds in parking lots with no load on the axle. Hope to make the next one in Red Deer... :-\
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What a great weekend, a big thank you from Michelle and I to you all. It was a pleasure meeting the members I did manage to say hi to and look forward to meeting the others in the future. It was a steep learning curve and I look forward to the next lesson.
James
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Thanks to the two Tom's for the great courses this weekend and to everyone else that makes this all possible. Still a long way to go for the old Volvo - but hey, I'm not in dead last! Pretty stoked about that.
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Thanks very much to our pair of Toms for the courses this weekend. A great mix of technical elements on both days sure made it interesting! Also, to Murray for getting the scores up so quick and your work in getting timing up! It is always greatly appreciated!
What a great weekend overall, lots of fun! I think I really need to start learning how to not hit cones though.
I had a great time this weekend. Thanks to everybody who attended/helped out and made it a success. Great courses from the Toms.
Huge thanks to Nick for letting me finish the two afternoon runs in his car. I still need to give you some cash for that (maybe PM your email address?).
-Shane
Hey, I couldn't leave you stranded buddy! ;D
Just get me back at the next event, 2 runs isn't much.
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Thanks to everyone who made this weekend fun :)
Here are some nice photos that somebody took:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/130531646@N07/sets/72157656333653186
If you were missed, he said that he may have some more if you would like to contact him:
http://forums.beyond.ca/st2/fort-macleod-autocross-july-26th-2015/showthread.php?s=&postid=4475255#post4475255
And some more somebody else took: https://goo.gl/photos/4kn5Br3pdh6QSQ4j9
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What a great weekend, a big thank you from Michelle and I to you all. It was a pleasure meeting the members I did manage to say hi to and look forward to meeting the others in the future. It was a steep learning curve and I look forward to the next lesson.
James
Glad you 2 could make it, We learn by playing with others who are better than us. Hope you make it to FM again. :)
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Hi All,
Newb question here. I noticed on the updated overall group/class scores, it only shows my results for yesterday and is missing the other events I competed in (May 15th and June21). I am assuming this is because I'm not a member. Am I correct in that?
Hey @Nick, have you uploaded your shots from the weekend yet?
Thanks
Duane
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You registered in a different class each time (ASP, STU, FS), so your overall scores will show you as having 3 scores, 1 each under SPREP, STOUR, and STREE groups.
If you were running the same car and class each time, let me know what your class was/is and I will fix it up.
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My fastest run on Sunday: https://youtu.be/SovZKBQntPY
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Hi All,
Newb question here. I noticed on the updated overall group/class scores, it only shows my results for yesterday and is missing the other events I competed in (May 15th and June21). I am assuming this is because I'm not a member. Am I correct in that?
Hey @Nick, have you uploaded your shots from the weekend yet?
Thanks
Duane
I haven't uploaded them yet... I am having a lazy morning right now, mostly researching what Koni's and SB's will fit on my car, haha
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What a great weekend, a big thank you from Michelle and I to you all. It was a pleasure meeting the members I did manage to say hi to and look forward to meeting the others in the future. It was a steep learning curve and I look forward to the next lesson.
James
Glad you 2 could make it, We learn by playing with others who are better than us. Hope you make it to FM again. :)
It was every bit as fun as you said it would be Terry, thank you for suggesting it to us. We will definitely try to make it back although I think I will just drive the car down in street tire fashion and enter in AS class and just try and enjoy the moment. I want to give a big thank you to you Terry for taking the time to point out some helpful hints on the walk around.
I also would like to give a big thanks to Jo, Shane and Steve for letting me go for a ride along. It was fascinating experiencing the different lines and approaches of the different cars and drivers. Although it was less than 9 mins of total drive seat time the learning curve was very large and I absorbed a lot from it.
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You registered in a different class each time (ASP, STU, FS), so your overall scores will show you as having 3 scores, 1 each under SPREP, STOUR, and STREE groups.
If you were running the same car and class each time, let me know what your class was/is and I will fix it up.
Ahhhh. Son of a gun.... that's an easy answer. lol How I missed thinking about that... I don't know. I'm going to sneak away and grab more coffee. I apparently need it.
Thanks Murray
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I didn't win the cone killer title for Saturday, as hard as I tried. Womp Womp.
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Ok, here are the photo's I managed to snap:
http://s1383.photobucket.com/user/SportPhreak/library/Fiesta/SASC/July%2026th%20Event
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Ok, here are the photo's I managed to snap:
http://s1383.photobucket.com/user/SportPhreak/library/Fiesta/SASC/July%2026th%20Event
Great pictures. :)
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Awesome pictures, would you happen to have any more of the Black Vette #131? If you wouldn't mind I would love whatever you had taken, this is the first actual race pic I have of my car. Great job
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Awesome pictures, would you happen to have any more of the Black Vette #131? If you wouldn't mind I would love whatever you had taken, this is the first actual race pic I have of my car. Great job
I usually have quite a few spares: here are some other ones for your car
http://s1383.photobucket.com/user/SportPhreak/library/Fiesta/SASC/July%2026th%20Event/Additional%20Photo%20Requests
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You registered in a different class each time (ASP, STU, FS), so your overall scores will show you as having 3 scores, 1 each under SPREP, STOUR, and STREE groups.
If you were running the same car and class each time, let me know what your class was/is and I will fix it up.
Just thought I'd mention something here. The clubs in Edmonton and Red Deer both do some form of an open class that allows for drivers w/multiple differently classed cars to have a single grouping (or just compete with each other outside of the other classes). In Edmonton its "Open PAX" and is scored based on the PAX index of the car used at each specific event. In Red Deer, there's the AWS (Awesome) class with PAX of 1.666 for people who just want to have fun without influencing the class score of the more serious competitors. Both are good options for mixing things up.
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Just thought I'd mention something here. The clubs in Edmonton and Red Deer both do some form of an open class that allows for drivers w/multiple differently classed cars to have a single grouping (or just compete with each other outside of the other classes). In Edmonton its "Open PAX" and is scored based on the PAX index of the car used at each specific event. In Red Deer, there's the AWS (Awesome) class with PAX of 1.666 for people who just want to have fun without influencing the class score of the more serious competitors. Both are good options for mixing things up.
I have a concern with these classes, as it leaves the possibility of having vehicles with that would fall into Mod and Prep classes competing without meeting the class specific safety requirements. If something goes wrong our insurance could be invalid as we are required to follow the rules as written. Although it is unlikely, I would hate to lose a club because of something like that (and the liability that a club would be opened up to would ruin any of our clubs financially)
Having said that, with careful consideration of how to monitor safety requirements it may be possible to create something that would still allow a slightly more "run what you brung" class.
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The reason the RDSCC have the awesome class is the majority of people in the club have no interest in competing, which is why the club doesn't run its own championship, so they just lump the majority into the awesome class, it seems to work for them, the problem in Red Deer is it attracts a whole bunch of red necks who just want to thrash around, including several drifters who regularly turn up.
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A bit of confusion happening here. Although you guys are calling it a class, in my software it is a "group". I believe RDSCC has to use a real class in the axware software, but that isn't the case for M&JTiming software. Some other timing software packages call it a "supergroup".
The group (or supergroup) isn't a new, non-SCCA approved class. It is just a grouping of drivers together for purposes of scoring (and sometimes run groups). e.g. instead of running with the STREET group, I could opt to run with the ASA OPAX group. In both cases, I am still classed as BS and my PAX is still calculated as BS.
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... including several drifters who regularly turn up.
They could lose their license if they allow drifting at an event. Drifting is not covered by our insurance policy, nor is it sanctioned to occur at an autox event.
Stuart's concerns fall under the same umbrella -- we are restricted to specific safety (and other) rules, and we aren't allowed to ignore them.
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... including several drifters who regularly turn up.
They could lose their license if they allow drifting at an event. Drifting is not covered by our insurance policy, nor is it sanctioned to occur at an autox event.
Stuart's concerns fall under the same umbrella -- we are restricted to specific safety (and other) rules, and we aren't allowed to ignore them.
Drifting is not allowed at any of their events. When a car is out of line the driver is promptly reminded that is not tolerated. They are more laid back group that is not overly competitive but they do stress there are rules are in place. I would say stereo typing the club as redneck is not accurate, they are just more of a social group.
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A bit of confusion happening here. Although you guys are calling it a class, in my software it is a "group". I believe RDSCC has to use a real class in the axware software, but that isn't the case for M&JTiming software. Some other timing software packages call it a "supergroup".
The group (or supergroup) isn't a new, non-SCCA approved class. It is just a grouping of drivers together for purposes of scoring (and sometimes run groups). e.g. instead of running with the STREET group, I could opt to run with the ASA OPAX group. In both cases, I am still classed as BS and my PAX is still calculated as BS.
My comment was referring to the likelihood of people entering such a group and just selecting AM for their class. Without a proper class listed it becomes tough to know what safety regulations they fall under. For instance a Miata or S2000 entered that way would likely void our insurance due to the lack of rollover protection. If done right (car fits in a class and that is noted) then it would be alright. In the end the car needs to fit in a class ruleset, but how that class is then scored is completely up to the club.
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... including several drifters who regularly turn up.
They could lose their license if they allow drifting at an event. Drifting is not covered by our insurance policy, nor is it sanctioned to occur at an autox event.
Stuart's concerns fall under the same umbrella -- we are restricted to specific safety (and other) rules, and we aren't allowed to ignore them.
Drifting is not allowed at any of their events. When a car is out of line the driver is promptly reminded that is not tolerated. They are more laid back group that is not overly competitive but they do stress there are rules are in place. I would say stereo typing the club as redneck is not accurate, they are just more of a social group.
I would say your perception of the RDSCC being a social club is very accurate, hey its different and difference isn't wrong, its just different. I think the RDSCC mantra "How big's your grin" isn't helping it attract competitive people, which is why is doesn't. As I said there are some wonderful people in the club and living in Red Deer I spend a lot of time with many of them. There just different :)
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I was going to hit up one of their events before our next SASC one. I've heard they get a lot of seat time, and I need the practice
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That's quite correct, on average 7 / 8 runs, most has been 12
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Our schedule hasn't allowed us to make a RDSCC event this year, but we usually try for at least one. Nice group of people, and lots of seat time.
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Any idea why the Mercedes GLA was placed into SSR on Saturday... it looked like he had OEM tires on it
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Any idea why the Mercedes GLA was placed into SSR on Saturday... it looked like he had OEM tires on it
Probably because nobody knew where to class him. Where should he go?
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^^ I thought SSR was for cars with R-comps, if he is just on street tires wouldn't he go into SS?
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True, but does that car belong in SS?
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Moved him to SS and updated the results.
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True, but does that car belong in SS?
Oh yeah... I am not sure about that. Actually looking at the cars in SS, it is a bit harsh
Similar cars might be the Forester XT, Audi RS4, or WRX STi... so maybe B-Stock?
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GLA? That is a SUV ... not sure if it is even eligible to run? I don't see a listing for it ... which means it is not classified. What is the height vs. width?
I would guess FS or even HS ...
R
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It is brand new for this year, it is more of a stubby wagon than an SUV.
Dimensions:
Track Width.......1,557 mm (61.3)
Wheelbase........2,699 mm (106.3 in)
Length.............4,417 mm (173.9 in)
Width..............1,804 mm (71.0 in)
Height.............1,494 mm (58.8 in)
It is 355hp, has 332ft-lbs of torque and an AWD system too
Based on this I think it meets the requirement:
(http://i.imgur.com/kTke8Gv.jpg)
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Maybe a crossover? weight?
Sounds similar to WRX wagon, Evo, and STi ...
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is the CLA 45 classified? stick it in that class and it should work. basically taller wagon version of that.
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is the CLA 45 classified? stick it in that class and it should work. basically taller wagon version of that.
Not yet... and I read that all AMG models get tossed into SS until they get classed elsewhere
SCCA rule book, on page 165...
Super Street (SS)
Mercedes-Benz
- AMG (NOC) "Not Otherwise Classed"
So in this case, SS was the correct class
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I have a concern with these classes, as it leaves the possibility of having vehicles with that would fall into Mod and Prep classes competing without meeting the class specific safety requirements. If something goes wrong our insurance could be invalid as we are required to follow the rules as written. Although it is unlikely, I would hate to lose a club because of something like that (and the liability that a club would be opened up to would ruin any of our clubs financially)
Yeah, that's not quite what I was describing, at least for the Open PAX group. It allows you to run different cars in different classes in a season or a single car if you want, but each must still be classed appropriately and meet the requirements of the class the car is entered in.
I think what you're highlighting is the possibility of partially or under-prepared cars going into a catch-all group and not meeting all the safety requirements for some of the mods on a car. Off the top of my head, rollover protection is the only thing I can think of, is there more?
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It is brand new for this year, it is more of a stubby wagon than an SUV.
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It is 355hp, has 332ft-lbs of torque and an AWD system too
It makes no sense, should never have been build, and I love it!
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I think what you're highlighting is the possibility of partially or under-prepared cars going into a catch-all group and not meeting all the safety requirements for some of the mods on a car. Off the top of my head, rollover protection is the only thing I can think of, is there more?
It's rare here, but if someone runs non-DOT (true race tires) they would require a driveshaft hoop, kill switch and some other minor stuff. It also could open up a can of worms if a club turned a blind eye to things like nitrous, I know ASA would not tell them to run OPAX but I'm sure other clubs would consider it awesome...
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I think Stuart has a point here. If someone classes their "stock" car in Mod ... and then runs slicks (actually I seem to remember this happening many years ago ... someone bolting slicks onto a car that was non-prep or mod class). If the suspension is "soft" and with poor shocks, etc. ... or some vehicle that is border-line for roll-over ... add slicks = roll over issue.
Sounds like more rules would be required restricting the use of slicks etc.
It is a slippery slope.....
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If I remember correctly that incident happened at The westerner
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I think Stuart has a point here. If someone classes their "stock" car in Mod ... and then runs slicks (actually I seem to remember this happening many years ago ... someone bolting slicks onto a car that was non-prep or mod class). If the suspension is "soft" and with poor shocks, etc. ... or some vehicle that is border-line for roll-over ... add slicks = roll over issue.
Sounds like more rules would be required restricting the use of slicks etc.
It is a slippery slope.....
Unless they are Continental Extreme Slicks, may as well run All Season tires as you'll have more grip. Ask me how I know ;D
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From the insurance and ASN/WCMA sanctioning standpoint, using the SCCA classing rules is not a requirement. There are marque clubs that run completely different (or no) classes. I think Regina runs a simplified classing scheme for their regular club series.
The clubs do need to adhere to the ASN GCR's and provide a safe venue, course, etc., but classing and determination of car safety is up to the club and the individual.
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If I remember correctly that incident happened at The westerner
Not that one (2005 Nats) ... maybe 10 years before that and on actual slicks, not R's.
R
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I just noticed that Jason P has two separate positions in the overall, 58 & 63. He's only ever driven one car, unless there's some other reason his times are broken up.
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I just noticed that Jason P has two separate positions in the overall, 58 & 63. He's only ever driven one car, unless there's some other reason his times are broken up.
His name is different (lower case j and P vs upper case J and P). The scoring software for overalls uses your full name, so if you change it, then you magically become a different person.
I'll fix it up in the event where he is all lower case.