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Solo => SASC Events => Topic started by: sti-tom on May 30, 2017, 02:30:27 PM
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I spoke with Tom on Sunday about this event counting towards the SASC championship series. He wasn't sure if they would count or not. I know @ ASA we always counted all WCMA Regional events as part of our series to encourage people to get out to other clubs events. I was hoping this was the case with SASC as well. I am going to have a tough time getting enough YYC events in otherwise.
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I think it was your choice of any of the championship events could count ... just practice events did not. Just needed a couple of events from each venue - Red Deer Westerner, Fort Macleod and YYC.....or something like that.
Correct me if I'm wrong ... anyone?
From the schedule on this forum I copied the following:
Championship Details
-To qualify for the overall joint championship Best 7/12 events will be taken to determine your overall score.
-Your best 7 will require minimum 2 scores at each venue. So your 2 best results from Red Deer, YYC, and Fort Macleod will be factored into your best 7.
-All of the days count as a single event except practice events.
The way I read the above is that the WCMA events count as 2 days for the CSCC/SASC championship series ... and they would count as your minimum 2 events at YYC. Having said that, I think points might be harder to come by at this event since we will have more people here including a bunch from Winnipeg who are headed for Vancouver for the Nationals .... so more hot shoes present.
R
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I think it was your choice of any of the championship events could count ... just practice events did not. Just needed a couple of events from each venue - Red Deer Westerner, Fort Macleod and YYC.....or something like that.
Correct me if I'm wrong ... anyone?
From the schedule on this forum I copied the following:
Championship Details
-To qualify for the overall joint championship Best 7/12 events will be taken to determine your overall score.
-Your best 7 will require minimum 2 scores at each venue. So your 2 best results from Red Deer, YYC, and Fort Macleod will be factored into your best 7.
-All of the days count as a single event except practice events.
The way I read the above is that the WCMA events count as 2 days for the CSCC/SASC championship series ... and they would count as your minimum 2 events at YYC. Having said that, I think points might be harder to come by at this event since we will have more people here including a bunch from Winnipeg who are headed for Vancouver for the Nationals .... so more hot shoes present.
R
The way I read it was
the ones with event numbers were the ones that counted.
The 2 day event didn't have an event # beside it so I didn't interpret it to be part of the championship.
Maybe I'm Wrong?
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If there's room for opinions on this I would suggest that we do count June 17/18 into the joint championship, but I'm not so sure about other WCMA events. I feel like with prize money and bragging rights on the line in the WCMA series the people who would be interested are already motivated to get around to other cities to run there. Since only CSCC/SASC members are eligible for the championship I'm not sure if it actually matters very much?
Last year when we hosted a WCMA regional we scored the first 3 runs for the regional then the best morning + best afternoon in the joint championship series.
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"To qualify for the overall joint championship Best 7/12 events will be taken to determine your overall score."
There were 12 champ events NOT counting the WCMA regionals when this was written (and subsequently we have moved to 13 events this year with the inclusion of the last red deer event on May 28 - so best 7/13), which would imply that the WCMA regionals did not count toward the 12 eligible events. Otherwise, I imagine it would have been written as best 7/14 (and subsequently best 7/15)
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It's been noted in the club meeting minutes since January that the 2-day June WCMA regional event was non-championship, if that makes any difference.
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I interpreted the 'OFFICIAL' calendar as NOT including the WCMA event as part of the club Championships......last weekend's Westerner was Championship Event #3, next weekend in FM is #4, the subsequent weekend back in Red Deer is #5 and then the next listed event as Championship #6 is July 2 in Calgary. Ultimately it makes little difference to me given that I can get enough at each venue anyway, BUT......I would've tried to arrange my schedule to be there if it had originally been listed as a club championship event.
Reference:
http://forums.sascsolo.com/index.php?topic=657.0
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As discussed in the club meetings, the WCMA regional does not count towards the club championship.
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As discussed in the club meetings, the WCMA regional does not count towards the club championship.
Chris,do you remember why we designated the WCMA event as non-championship? I don't remember ... except maybe to just keep it separate from other events.....or to limit the number of championship events at YYC?
R
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It would be nice if at least one of the days was part of the series. There isn't nearly as much motivational to come out to this event anymore for me. It's not like there is another regional event in Alberta to do this year, and I'm not inclined to drive all the way out to Regina or Winnipeg to get a 3rd day in. In fact, I haven't even seen anything this year saying that there is an actual WCMA series taking place.
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It would be nice if at least one of the days was part of the series. There isn't nearly as much motivational to come out to this event anymore for me. It's not like there is another regional event in Alberta to do this year, and I'm not inclined to drive all the way out to Regina or Winnipeg to get a 3rd day in. In fact, I haven't even seen anything this year saying that there is an actual WCMA series taking place.
Whoops I messed up .... and hit the wrong button! :( Anyway ...
I think Jim might be busy? Saw him at the WCMA licencing school but did not speak too much with him. I think he is concentrating more on road racing this year. I should email and ask him ... would be good to know what is happening.
One of our bigger motivations for this date is the fact that it is the weekend before the Cdn. Champs in BC. The lot is almost identical in size to the Pitt Meadows site (for the course that is, both are asphalt as well) and we wanted to make it a good preparation event for the Nats. So we will be putting in a bit more time on course design etc. ...and are, in fact, discussing making it two separate courses by different designers (Ryan and I ... or someone else interested?) that are run forwards and backwards on both days - 3 runs each way such that it will be a simulation of the Cdns.
Plus there are a few guys coming from Winnipeg who are also looking at this event for the same reason ... catch an event along the way ... Notably for the Winnipeg guys this works out really well since they catch a 2-day WCMA event here and then they can get their Winnipeg WCMA event for the 3rd one.
R
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As discussed in the club meetings, the WCMA regional does not count towards the club championship.
Chris,do you remember why we designated the WCMA event as non-championship? I don't remember ... except maybe to just keep it separate from other events.....or to limit the number of championship events at YYC?
R
Maybe Tom/Wanye can speak more to this but I was under the impression that we wanted to keep the number of points events manageable so that more people could potentially participate for the championship (so 12 events total, best 7). However, we also wanted to make sure that the people who qualified for the championship had to make atleast half the points events.
We also didnt land on if we were doing 2 day combined scoring or separate scoring. By keeping the WCMA out of the championship, it allowed us to keep the flexibility for scoring (although I think it would be best suited for 1 day scoring to allow more people to participate).
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Thanks Chris.
I seem to also remember that we had just too many events at YYC ... re: Your manageable comment ... but we also wanted to use the venue as much as we could, while we could. They mean to develop the property eventually so that is a concern.
Reijo
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However, we also wanted to make sure that the people who qualified for the championship had to make at least half the points events.
Not sure I understand the reasoning behind this. Why not have best 7 events, even if we hold 15 or 20 events in the year?
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However, we also wanted to make sure that the people who qualified for the championship had to make at least half the points events.
Not sure I understand the reasoning behind this. Why not have best 7 events, even if we hold 15 or 20 events in the year?
There was also the requirement for travel considered. If all the events in Calgary counted, you would not have to travel to Red Deer or Fort Macleod. The way the championship rules for this year were worded was that you had to run at least 2 events at each venue - Westerner/Red Deer, YYC/Calgary and FM/Fort Macleod plus 1 event = 7.
Originally we discussed this at the January meeting so it is a while ago and I don't remember the complete gist of the conversation ... maybe Tom G. or someone else can remember more?
Something else related: There is always the consideration of budget for some people ... re: making one set of tires last the entire summer.
Others of course would go to every event that we host and then some! hahaha :)
Reijo
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Your executive puts considerable thought and effort into securing venues and scheduling.
Consideration for events was given to...
Development; novice schools, SoloPro school
Practice events; hone skills with no (OK minimal) competitive pressure
Championship events; again this year combined SASC / CSCC Championship, venue attendance and participation requirements, overall scoring towards same, etc
Other events; WCMA regional, Challenge, appreciation, etc.
I believe a good balance was achieved.
Requests to alter scheduling only upset this balance.
I encourage all members to get involved, not just event participation, but volunteer, attend monthly club meetings, voice your opinion, help guide the club going forward. Not that many years ago the club was at risk of dissolving, lack of member involvement was the key. We never want to return to those times.
Remember...
You can please all of the people some of the time, some of the people all of the time, but you cannot please all of the people all of the time.
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Thanks Wayne!
Yes, there is a surprising amount of effort that goes into organizing and running these events. And it is true that we do put thought into much of what we do. These are not just random decisions.
So if you are wondering about why we are doing something, it is a good idea to ask why? There is probably a good reason for what it is we are doing.
And, of course, no one or body is perfect, so we look to improve whenever we can. :)
Cheers,
getting ready for the weekend ... course design to do!
Reijo
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The two day regional does not count towards the SASC/CSCC Joint Championship, it is a standalone two day event just like the August 12/13th Challenge event. There are 4 championship events at Fort Macleod, 4 at YYC and 5 at Westerner. I believe that we've achieved a good balance.
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Thanks Chris.
I seem to also remember that we had just too many events at YYC ... re: Your manageable comment ... but we also wanted to use the venue as much as we could, while we could. They mean to develop the property eventually so that is a concern.
Reijo
Exactly!
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One other bonus to having the championship cover 50% +1 event is that it avoids unbreakable ties since there will be at least one event that any two competitors are both at. Without that you could have two people who win every event they attend and with the typical 'heads up' tiebreaker not being available.