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As long as your convinced I guess that's all that matters.
Quote from: apexcone on September 19, 2017, 07:48:57 AMAs long as your convinced I guess that's all that matters.Umm, are you trying to deny the laws of physics here? Given equal lateral grip (and equal driving skills), a lighter car can go through a slalom faster than a heavier car and a narrower car can go through a slalom faster than a wider car. Now, Ryan can certainly drive better than I can, but I don't think his car has more grip than mine. So, in any slalom, I should be able to gain on Ryan in the latter part of any slalom where I am not speed limited by my rev limiter. It's about the only place where I can gain on him, but hey, I'll take what I can get
So if Ryan is slower than you down the slaloms, where is he taking 4 seconds off you? in the other short sections, sorry, I dont buy. I dont believe for a nano-second that Ryan is a 4 second better driver than you in a sub 40 second lap, but if your convinced then be happy.
Quote from: apexcone on September 19, 2017, 08:11:03 AMSo if Ryan is slower than you down the slaloms, where is he taking 4 seconds off you? in the other short sections, sorry, I dont buy. I dont believe for a nano-second that Ryan is a 4 second better driver than you in a sub 40 second lap, but if your convinced then be happy. I am only faster than him after my car manages to get up to speed in a slalom, which is only the last little bit. He is not slower than me for the entire slalom, so he is gaining time pretty well everywhere.
Quote from: MurrayPeterson on September 19, 2017, 07:59:15 AMQuote from: apexcone on September 19, 2017, 07:48:57 AMAs long as your convinced I guess that's all that matters.Umm, are you trying to deny the laws of physics here? Given equal lateral grip (and equal driving skills), a lighter car can go through a slalom faster than a heavier car and a narrower car can go through a slalom faster than a wider car. Now, Ryan can certainly drive better than I can, but I don't think his car has more grip than mine. So, in any slalom, I should be able to gain on Ryan in the latter part of any slalom where I am not speed limited by my rev limiter. It's about the only place where I can gain on him, but hey, I'll take what I can get So if Ryan is slower than you down the slaloms, where is he taking 4 seconds off you? in the other short sections, sorry, I dont by it. I dont believe for a nano-second that Ryan is a 4 second better driver than you in a sub 40 second lap, but if your convinced then be happy.
Umm, are you trying to deny the laws of physics here?
This discussion has nothing to do with the laws of physics its to do with PAX & HP. Put Ryan and Cam in the M2 & then move both to a ES Miata and my best guess is on last Sundays course the M2 would be quicker. Which is exactly why Stephen was down in 13th place.
This discussion has nothing to do with the laws of physics its to do with PAX & HP.
So, Reijo, re: comment that road racers don't make good autoxers, do autoxers make good road racers?
Ryan says because there is no such thing as a low powered and big and heavy and competitive autocross car. In an NB Miata that is some 1,000 pounds lighter than my M2 I would not have had to slow nearly as much to make the left turn out of the slalom while being on the same line. That's because the Miata wouldn't have been going as fast.I wholeheartedly agree with Stephen to win in PAX at YYC a 300 HP car is a real advantage, that must mean that a big HP car has an advantage, and by definition the lowered powered car is disadvantaged. Just take a look at the time difference between the fastest RAW big power Corvette and the low powered CS Miata of Murray, who is one of our very best drivers, 3.992 slower, than the Corvette. I buy 3 tenths, or even 8 tenths difference, but Murray nearly 4 seconds slower, no sorry dont buy it.My argument all along is that PAX isn't accurate and is dependant on course design. I am more than happy to let any of our quickest drivers in high powered car, Cam, Ryan, Tom, Stephen borrow my car and see if they can beat or equal their own time in a low powered car. Who'd like to take the challenge???