New PAX indexes released

[PedalFaster]

http://solotime.info/pax/rtp2017.html

[PedalFaster]

Relative changes:

The relative changes are (2017Index-2016Index-average_drop)):

Positive means tougher index this year.

SS   -0.002
AS   -0.002
BS   -0.001
CS   0.001
DS   0.002
ES   -0.001
FS   0.000
GS   -0.001
HS   0.000
HCS   -0.001
   
STF   0.003
STS   -0.002
STX   -0.002
STR   0.001
STU   -0.002
STP   -0.005
   
SSP   0.002
ASP   0.003
BSP   0.002
CSP   0.005
DSP   -0.001
ESP   -0.003
FSP   0.001
   
SSR   -0.001
   
CAM-C   -0.004
CAM-T   -0.005
CAM-S   0.002
   
XP   -0.003
BP   -0.002
CP   0.002
DP   -0.002
EP   0.000
FP   0.005
HCR   -0.001
   
SMF   -0.001
SM   0.003
SSM   0.005
   
AM   0.012
BM   0.002
CM   -0.003
DM   -0.001
EM   -0.003
FM   0.002
FSAE   -0.004
   
KM   -0.003
JA   -0.002
JB   0.004
JC   0.004

Each 0.001 change of index results in a 0.05 second time difference in a 50 second course, so we're mostly talking about pretty small changes.

[94boosted]

Stephen am I reading something wrong?

2017 (http://solotime.info/pax/rtp2017.html) - SSP PAX = 0.862
2016 (http://solotime.info/pax/rtp2016.html) - SSP PAX = 0.872

That means PAX went down by 0.01 which is a good thing (easier) is it not 

[MurrayPeterson]

Every class PAX got easier compared to AM this year by an average of 0.012.
Steve's list shows how your PAX changed relative to each other after that 0.012 has been removed.

So, for example:

SSP PAX dropped 0.010 (0.002 less than the average)
BS PAX dropped 0.013 (0.001 more than the average)

Thus, SSP got harder compared to BS.

[BrianHemming]

The numbers Stephen posted are relative to the average increase applied to AM - which was .012.  Since AM never actually increases - it's always 1.000 - then all other classes got easier by .012 and were then adjusted accordingly.  So because SSP only got easier by .01 it actually got harder by .002 ........relatively - the difference between -.012 and + .002. 

Not confusing at all right?

Using real numbers compared to AM (the theoretical perfect run) and AS (often the guy to beat)

Using 2016 PAX....

AM = 50 seconds
SSP = 50 / .872 = 57.339 pax time
AS  = 50 / .833 = 60.024 pax time

So SSP has to beat AS by 2.685 raw for equal pax

Using 2017 PAX....

AM = 50 seconds
SSP = 50 seconds / .862 = 58.005
AS = 50 seconds / .819 = 61.050

So SSP has to beat AS by 3.045 raw for equal pax

So relative to last year on a 50 second course SSP has to go .36 faster raw to equal AS pax.  Part of that coming from AS getting relatively softer and part from SSP relatively harder.

Right about now I wish I'd sold my CSP Miata and bought an AS Vette 

[sti-tom]

Yeah CSP got hit pretty hard. I'm shocked FS didn't get harder.
I picked a bad year to race the GTR (SM) again, maybe its time to put it back to stock and run in SS. Hey Paul, do you want to buy a bunch of GTR parts?

[94boosted]

Every class PAX got easier compared to AM this year by an average of 0.012.
Steve's list shows how your PAX changed relative to each other after that 0.012 has been removed.

So, for example:

SSP PAX dropped 0.010 (0.002 less than the average)
BS PAX dropped 0.013 (0.001 more than the average)

Thus, SSP got harder compared to BS.

The numbers Stephen posted are relative to the average increase applied to AM - which was .012.  Since AM never actually increases - it's always 1.000 - then all other classes got easier by .012 and were then adjusted accordingly.  So because SSP only got easier by .01 it actually got harder by .002 ........relatively - the difference between -.012 and + .002. 

Not confusing at all right?

Using real numbers compared to AM (the theoretical perfect run) and AS (often the guy to beat)

Using 2016 PAX....

AM = 50 seconds
SSP = 50 / .872 = 57.339 pax time
AS  = 50 / .833 = 60.024 pax time

So SSP has to beat AS by 2.685 raw for equal pax

Using 2017 PAX....

AM = 50 seconds
SSP = 50 seconds / .862 = 58.005
AS = 50 seconds / .819 = 61.050

So SSP has to beat AS by 3.045 raw for equal pax

So relative to last year on a 50 second course SSP has to go .36 faster raw to equal AS pax.  Part of that coming from AS getting relatively softer and part from SSP relatively harder.

Right about now I wish I'd sold my CSP Miata and bought an AS Vette 

Thanks gents that makes sense now.

Right about now I wish I'd sold my CSP Miata and bought an AS Vette 

So should we jus give Cam the 2017 PAX trophy and be done with it 

[BrianHemming]

So should we jus give Cam the 2017 PAX trophy and be done with it 

That's one option........beating him is another 

[Reijo]

It's all KJ and Marshall's fault!   

[SKI-R]

So should we jus give Cam the 2017 PAX trophy and be done with it 

Rumour was that PedalFaster would be in a.....https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=19LvHIb_PNs

....so maybe not yet!  Gonna be fun to watch. 

[PedalFaster]

Rumour was that PedalFaster would be in a.....https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=19LvHIb_PNs

....so maybe not yet!  Gonna be fun to watch. 

I'm trying to get back into a Corvette, but the one I was going to buy fell through. Currently on the hunt for another...

[Reijo]

Here's a niffty spread sheet to calculate PAX nos.

Have at 'er:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19U5NXYHlNQi12nNN8wFntcC3QO-a-H8NXd_3sd3kSY8/edit#gid=767998953

[PaulT]

You all know that this is gibberish to me, As far as the parts go Tom, I'm thinking again about selling and try something else next year. If that doesn't work out then yes I,ll come calling. As far as Cam goes, Pax for him should be using only one hand (and possibly a blindfold). P

[threeotwo]

Right about now I wish I'd sold my CSP Miata and bought an AS Vette 

I hear my old car should be a fair bit faster next year, looking forward to seeing it run at some point.  Definitely will be a tougher class though...

So should we jus give Cam the 2017 PAX trophy and be done with it 

That's one option........beating him is another 

We will see, noticed a number of people in the club getting faster throughout the season, so could be a different story next year...

[PedalFaster]

Now this is confusing: the indexes were just *re*released with changes. Specifically, SS, CS, FS, and HCS were changed from the first numbers released three days ago.

Relative to the average -0.012 change:

Class  Original change    New change
SS        -0.002            0.003
CS         0.001            0.003
FS         0.000            0.002
HCS       -0.001            0.004