Scoring and classing of car: Using different class cars

[nnywg]

Is championship point scoring affected if one changes vehicles & classes mid-season?  I believe this has no affect on overall scores and just on your standings in the sub-classes, correct?

My truck is now on the STX list, except my current wheels/tires are slightly too wide.  PAX is 0.015 better than ESP though.  Could put RE-71Rs on the OEM wheels could be faster than slightly wider RE760Sports.

My car is a DSP car with an ESP engine and I haven't figured out what class that actually puts me in to yet.

[94boosted]

Is championship point scoring affected if one changes vehicles & classes mid-season?  I believe this has no affect on overall scores and just on your standings in the sub-classes, correct?

My truck is now on the STX list, except my current wheels/tires are slightly too wide.  PAX is 0.015 better than ESP though.  Could put RE-71Rs on the OEM wheels could be faster than slightly wider RE760Sports.

My car is a DSP car with an ESP engine and I haven't figured out what class that actually puts me in to yet.

You could run a different car and/or class every single event and still be eligible for the championship. Championship scoring is based on the PAX & RAW points you scored at each event. Example:

Event 1 - STX - 97 Points RAW & 99 Points PAX
Event 2 - ESP - 97 Points RAW & 98 Points PAX
......
Event 7 - ESP - 96 Points RAW & 98 Points PAX


If however you change cars/class between morning and afternoon on the same event day your PAX points will be calculated off of the class with the less favorable PAX if that makes sense.

[Stuart]

Is championship point scoring affected if one changes vehicles & classes mid-season?  I believe this has no affect on overall scores and just on your standings in the sub-classes, correct?

My truck is now on the STX list, except my current wheels/tires are slightly too wide.  PAX is 0.015 better than ESP though.  Could put RE-71Rs on the OEM wheels could be faster than slightly wider RE760Sports.

My car is a DSP car with an ESP engine and I haven't figured out what class that actually puts me in to yet.

What are the details of your car?  I remember going through the rules about your truck but can't recall the car details.

[nnywg]

Probably should just take it offline, but - '85 Celica Supra is DSP, but has an engine from a '87 Supra Turbo (which is ESP somehow).

Fully reworked suspension, wheels width/diameter way different from OEM, which is why I'm looking at the SP category at all.  The rest is stock, full interior, etc.

[Stuart]

Engine swap would move you into SM I believe.

[nnywg]

Which is even less encouraging to race it at all.   
Maybe just keep it as a street car. 

[Reijo]

In SP you can swap an engine if the cars are "on the same line" in the rulebook/classing.   E.g. you can take a later model Miata VVT engine ('01-'03) and put it in, say, a '90 Miata ... So take a look at the rules.

[MurrayPeterson]

Which is even less encouraging to race it at all.   
Maybe just keep it as a street car.

Don't be discouraged by a car like this.  It does keep you from winning the $5 plastic trophy ( ), but it's common (and fun) to find someone that is a close competitor in PAX or RAW, and compare/fight against that person all season.

[nnywg]

Thanks for moving the topic - I agree it didn't belong where it was.

Not sure what you mean by "on the same line", but my situation is similar to what you say.  It's the same engine block in fact, just stroked crank 2.8L to 3L and a different head.  All factory mechanicals and electricals.  Bolts right in to the subframe and transmission.

You're exactly right Murray, I'm not that discouraged.  We'll see what the year brings; Supra needs some work yet and my professional schedule is out of hand at the moment.  It's still far more appropriate than the truck.

[Stuart]

The term "line" is in reference to the individual lines in appendix A of the SCCA rules.
In this case DSP has:
TOYOTA
    Supra (1982-86)
and ESP has:
TOYOTA
    Supra (all) (1986 1/2 - 92)
so unfortunately the engine does not qualify as being "on the same line".

Street Mod starts to allow any engine from the same manufacturer and Mod gets into the free-for-all range.

[nnywg]

Ah, this is what I suspected.  SM it is then

[Reijo]

Thanks, Stuart!   And, yes, the Supra had a major change in 1986 and was no longer the "same" car so that is when they typically are not "on the same line" ... such as this case.  The earlier Supra was a much smaller car (brother-in-law had an '80) ... than the 1986 1/2 which a friend of mine used to have ... hmmm...maybe still has???   

R

[Reijo]

Oh, and another option would be XP ... in which you can run any engine but that is a killer fast class consisting of cars that are total race cars with stripped interiors etc.

r

[Locotoy]

Probably should just take it offline, but - '85 Celica Supra is DSP, but has an engine from a '87 Supra Turbo (which is ESP somehow).

Isn't it that by 1984 model year the name Celica was dropped from the Celica Supra model line and it became just the "Supra"? Or MA67 in Toyota speak for that particular generation of North American Supra's. In Japan that generation was called the Celica XX.

Anyway, sounds like a cool project. I love old Toyota's 

[nnywg]

It had been Mk1 Celica Supra, then Mk2 Celica Supra - then Mk3 (1986-1992) & Mk4 (1993-?) were completely independent cars and just "Supra".  Confusingly the 2nd generation Celica Supra is based on the 3rd generation Celicas.

The Celica line carried forward and the cars got a bit smaller; some getting trick 4wd and turbo sauce for rally duty.  The old Castrol-liveried Celicas from the late 80's and early 90's are probably the most recognizable Toyota race cars outside of Japan's SuperGT efforts.

The Supra died and might get resurrected with a BMW heart in the future for too much money.