Street Class a no brainer

[Type_Yarr]

From what I've gathered the E92 M3 ZCP is still competitive in FS but the top dog is the '17 Camaro SS. I doubt it gets reclassed separately from the '17+ Camaro SS/'16 1LE, and Mustang GT, as there is still a decent balance of performance. The Camaro fits wider tires, and has more low/mid torque. The E92 is heavy for the amount of tire, but narrow bodied and has less instrusive ABS. The Mustang is just a half step behind but that may change with the '18 depending on where it ends up.

Some are saying that even a well prepped/well driven E46 M3 or Boss Edition Mustang still has a chance and are the best performance per dollar in the class.

FS may get its relative PAX changed, but I would guess (and hope) that the new '17+ Camaro 1LE, Mustang GT350, and F80 M3/M4 will all stay classed outside of the current group in FS.

[Terry Johns]

Drove a 2012 M3 today, nice car, very poised, but not sure its for me. The running cost of these cars is through the roof.

Stopped in at LA Mazda where I bought my current Miata and drove the new ND GS. Its a very different car than the NC, it felt very nimble, the power delivery is very different, engine is much more responsive and pulls harder in all gears. I can see why the old model NC is totally out classed by the new ND.

Downside, didn't like the audio screen that sticks out the dash and cant be closed, it has very little storage compared to the NC and the body roll is outrageous. All in its a great car. I'm going to test drive the WRX tomorrow, spoke to James a few weeks ago, he is supper impressed with his, seems the consensus is its a better car than the STi and in D Street its competitive. The downside with the WRX is I loose a convertible the plus is I gain a winter car.

Watch this space.

[PedalFaster]

From what I've gathered the E92 M3 ZCP is still competitive in FS but the top dog is the '17 Camaro SS.

Some are saying that even a well prepped/well driven E46 M3 or Boss Edition Mustang still has a chance and are the best performance per dollar in the class.

Few comments:

• You've probably read this, but if not, read the comparison between the M3, previous-generation Camaro 1LE, and Mustang GT that was done at Nationals a few years ago: https://www.scca.com/articles/2004034-class-report-f-street-comparison. All three basically tied on time. (People, including the article authors, fixate on the times set by the M3 in the morning, but note that the runs done in the Mustang and M3 back-to-back were within 5 hundredths of a second of each other).
  
  Note that the Camaro would do relatively worse at Fort Macleod and Red Deer, as neither lot has room for sweepers, which are where the Camaro makes time on the other cars.
  

• I asked how the new Camaro stacks up in class. Ryan Otis, who won last year's F Street national championship, responded with the following:
  
  

  I'd pick the M3. It's the brakes that tip the scale for me, the ABS cal for both the Camaro LT and non-1LE SS are terrible. If the Camaro sucked as an autocross car then the crappy ABS wouldn't really bother me, but the car is so good otherwise that it's actually kinda enraging.

• Lastly, the E46 M3 is close enough that a superhuman driver could win in one, but I've never seen anyone who's owned or driven one (myself included) who thinks it's nearly as good overall as the other cars mentioned on this thread. I'm not convinced it's faster than a D Street Camaro, to be honest (note that the PAX difference between FS and DS is only 0.2 seconds on a 60-second course).
  

[Reijo]

That last comment is a real head-scratcher, eh?  Stephen, what have you done?       LOL

[PedalFaster]

Not sure I understand the question, but I owned and ran an E46 M3 in 2014: http://www.sccaforums.com/forums/aft/446609.

Came in sixth at Nationals, 0.8 seconds behind the winner (who was driving a then-brand-new previous-generation Camaro 1LE).

[Midnightsky]

Buy a FiST and run H-street against my Mazda 3 next year bring back the battle of H-street

[Tuna]

Buy a FiST and run H-street against my Mazda 3 next year bring back the battle of H-street

Find me a FiST I can lease and I'll take that challenge.

[PedalFaster]

Why don't you guys codrive? Saves money *and* guarantees HS competition.

[Midnightsky]

Buy a FiST and run H-street against my Mazda 3 next year bring back the battle of H-street

Find me a FiST I can lease and I'll take that challenge.

Ford.ca? Airdrie Ford? Calgary Ford? Are you saying they won't lease you a FiST?

[JamesTCallaghan]

Buy a FiST and run H-street against my Mazda 3 next year bring back the battle of H-street

Find me a FiST I can lease and I'll take that challenge.

Ford.ca? Airdrie Ford? Calgary Ford? Are you saying they won't lease you a FiST?

Production has finished for FiST and the new model is not being sold in North America. Combine that with horrible lease residuals and it's fairly impossible to lease one. When I was looking it was $700+ a month for a three year lease vs $454/month for my WRX.

[Midnightsky]

Buy a FiST and run H-street against my Mazda 3 next year bring back the battle of H-street

Find me a FiST I can lease and I'll take that challenge.

Ford.ca? Airdrie Ford? Calgary Ford? Are you saying they won't lease you a FiST?

Production has finished for FiST and the new model is not being sold in North America. Combine that with horrible lease residuals and it's fairly impossible to lease one. When I was looking it was $700+ a month for a three year lease vs $454/month for my WRX.

Yuck

that sucks if they don't give us the new FiST, that 2 door version is HAWT, they should sell us some limited protection 2 door models, even if its only a few hundred.

[Terry Johns]

The 2 door is the most popular in the UK

[Bitters]

Is anyone running a FiST locally? I would love to co-drive one before the year is out...

[94boosted]

I'm hoping a 15-17 mustang gt can compete with that damn m3 next year!  The street classes have such a variety of performance between the cars in their classes and I personally feel that the newer M3, the new camaro and new mustang don't really fit in with the other FS cars. But thats just because my 05 mustang is out dated in every way to compete with the 2011+.  Unless you are like Cam it seems like you have to have the latest and greatest models to have a chance. I fully understand the driver has a lot to do with it but it definitely seems to help having a car that is at the top of its class.  That 2011 M3 seems to have such a good balance of power and handling. Such a beautiful car appearance wise as well. If I would allow myself to get a European car it would be the one. I see the 2017 camaro ss 1le with mag suspension(like the new covettes i believe) is up in AS. I imagine the 2018 mustang gt with the shelby gt350 suspension will be in AS as well.  I feel I did pretty good in my 05 last year but I feel like a newer one will give me the edge I need to maybe(big maybe) scare Cam and be at the top like Richard has done this year in his M3.  Only time will tell. 

From what I've gathered the E92 M3 ZCP is still competitive in FS but the top dog is the '17 Camaro SS. I doubt it gets reclassed separately from the '17+ Camaro SS/'16 1LE, and Mustang GT, as there is still a decent balance of performance. The Camaro fits wider tires, and has more low/mid torque. The E92 is heavy for the amount of tire, but narrow bodied and has less instrusive ABS. The Mustang is just a half step behind but that may change with the '18 depending on where it ends up.

FS may get its relative PAX changed, but I would guess (and hope) that the new '17+ Camaro 1LE, Mustang GT350, and F80 M3/M4 will all stay classed outside of the current group in FS.

2015-17 Mustang GT with the Performance Package (PP) can only hit 58MPH in 2nd with the tire of choice (275/35/19-RE71R) that’s the limiting factor for the car otherwise it would truly be right up there neck and neck with the M3 and Camaro SS.

For 2018 the Mustang GT gets a 500RPM increase in redline and most likely will keep the same gearing meaning it’s top speed in 2nd should be close to 63MPH, a decent improvement, will it be enough is the question. For 2018 it also gets a 30hp/20ft-lbs power bump, a slicker manual trans (dual mass flywheel and twin disc clutch) the addition of a 10 speed auto that’s supposed to be really good (co-developed w/ GM, same trans as new Camaro ZL1 and Ford Raptor) as well the mag shocks from the Shelby Mustang 350, from everything I’ve read it sounds like it’s staying in FS with the above mentioned changes.

There’s also rumors of a Level 2 Performance Package on the 18’ Mustang GT that won’t be out until “later”, this Level 2 PP will for sure have 0.5” wider wheels (9.5F & 10R) as well as some other unknown changes, the question is whether or not the PP Level 2 car, which is rumored to compete against the 2016-18 Camaro SS 1LE will stay classed in FS or get bumped out.

[sti-tom]

Buy a FiST and run H-street against my Mazda 3 next year bring back the battle of H-street

Find me a FiST I can lease and I'll take that challenge.

Ford.ca? Airdrie Ford? Calgary Ford? Are you saying they won't lease you a FiST?

Production has finished for FiST and the new model is not being sold in North America. Combine that with horrible lease residuals and it's fairly impossible to lease one. When I was looking it was $700+ a month for a three year lease vs $454/month for my WRX.

Team Ford in Edmonton has one that they will finance for 7 years at under $400 a month.